1 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,610 Don't throw it away in court, because of here. 2 00:01:05,975 --> 00:01:07,319 That's what they want. 3 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:36,649 So, is there anything that I should know about Ben? 4 00:01:36,769 --> 00:01:38,350 Anything inconvenient, I mean. 5 00:01:38,888 --> 00:01:42,190 It's best I know, so we can deal with it if they bring it up. 6 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:43,548 I hate surprises. 7 00:01:44,836 --> 00:01:46,615 No, no, there's nothing. 8 00:02:21,948 --> 00:02:23,689 Do you believe he didn't do it? 9 00:02:26,908 --> 00:02:29,246 99% of the clients I represent... 10 00:02:29,455 --> 00:02:31,688 I am 100% sure 11 00:02:32,238 --> 00:02:34,550 committed the crimes they're charged with. 12 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,369 I can't say the same about your son. 13 00:02:40,463 --> 00:02:42,886 - That's not a proper answer. - Yes, it is. 14 00:02:43,647 --> 00:02:44,982 It absolutely is. 15 00:02:46,356 --> 00:02:49,451 Reasonable doubt, Mrs Coulter, that's all I'm after. 16 00:02:50,045 --> 00:02:51,302 That's all I need. 17 00:02:51,718 --> 00:02:53,197 It's all any of us need. 18 00:03:18,243 --> 00:03:20,707 Of course I'm not nervous. This is one more day in court, 19 00:03:21,204 --> 00:03:22,614 just like any other. 20 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:28,272 Who's the other one? The one who isn't the petrol-station guy? 21 00:03:28,432 --> 00:03:30,430 The neighbour who called the policeon the night. 22 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:32,613 He's not even a fully-bound witness? 23 00:03:32,733 --> 00:03:34,029 His statement was read? 24 00:03:34,208 --> 00:03:36,105 So why is he here? Voyeur. 25 00:03:36,225 --> 00:03:38,908 Hasn't he got better things to do? Vultures, the both of them! 26 00:03:39,069 --> 00:03:40,147 Is your rant nearlyover? 27 00:03:40,364 --> 00:03:41,110 What? 28 00:03:42,164 --> 00:03:43,496 Can we have a word? 29 00:03:45,596 --> 00:03:48,312 - We need Ben to give evidence. - But do we? 30 00:03:48,672 --> 00:03:51,424 We've already established that the senior police officer in this case 31 00:03:51,585 --> 00:03:53,641 has taken evidence away from the crime scene. 32 00:03:53,761 --> 00:03:56,251 How often do you get something as good as that? 33 00:03:56,371 --> 00:03:57,500 It's not enough. 34 00:03:59,299 --> 00:04:01,293 What's he going to say, Frances? 35 00:04:01,586 --> 00:04:04,043 "I can't remember what happened. It's all a bit of a blur." 36 00:04:04,163 --> 00:04:07,698 - How's that going to make it better? - It's not about what he says. 37 00:04:08,271 --> 00:04:11,697 Ben couldn't killanyone, *but the jury ignore it cos they haven't had a good look at him. 38 00:04:11,856 --> 00:04:15,334 Him being a nice kid isn't gonna count for anything when Painter cross-examines 39 00:04:15,637 --> 00:04:17,908 his convenient amnesia into the ground. 40 00:04:18,028 --> 00:04:20,294 Juries don't like it when a defendant hides. 41 00:04:22,665 --> 00:04:23,813 Listen to me. 42 00:04:26,417 --> 00:04:28,251 Almost all of my clients 43 00:04:28,411 --> 00:04:29,351 are guilty. 44 00:04:29,471 --> 00:04:32,300 But at least half of them get off. Why? 45 00:04:33,457 --> 00:04:37,423 Because the prosecution has to come up with such a high standard of proof, 46 00:04:37,543 --> 00:04:39,886 - beyond all reasonable doubt. - I'm in charge in court. 47 00:04:40,885 --> 00:04:43,326 Tomorrow, I want evidence to support him. 48 00:04:44,077 --> 00:04:45,278 Go and get it. 49 00:05:01,103 --> 00:05:02,662 You know what people say... 50 00:05:02,919 --> 00:05:05,093 When you're being cross-examined, it's a prosecutor's job 51 00:05:05,213 --> 00:05:07,717 to get under your skin and make you lose your temper. 52 00:05:07,878 --> 00:05:11,430 It's very important that you stay calm and just answer the questions. 53 00:05:13,607 --> 00:05:14,413 Wrong. 54 00:05:16,217 --> 00:05:16,931 Why? 55 00:05:18,524 --> 00:05:21,872 A man in a wig you've never met before is going to suggest you're a murderer. 56 00:05:22,637 --> 00:05:25,191 There'd be something badly wrong with you if you didn't fight back. 57 00:05:26,271 --> 00:05:27,611 Be yourself, Ben. 58 00:05:29,736 --> 00:05:30,840 Where is Stone? 59 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:33,233 - He's working. - Did you speak to him? 60 00:05:34,964 --> 00:05:36,482 He thinks you'll be great. 61 00:06:00,765 --> 00:06:03,149 My barrister thinks you're a voyeur. 62 00:06:06,609 --> 00:06:07,793 I don't agree. 63 00:06:08,588 --> 00:06:11,415 You are a witness in a murder trial, that's a really important thing. 64 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:15,365 But nobody has disputed anything you told the police, 65 00:06:15,485 --> 00:06:17,301 so your witness statement is just 66 00:06:17,903 --> 00:06:19,685 read out to the jury. 67 00:06:20,654 --> 00:06:23,638 And you don't get your 15 minutes in the limelight. 68 00:06:24,254 --> 00:06:27,275 And your sense of helping the justice system, 69 00:06:27,395 --> 00:06:29,242 of being a good citizen, it... 70 00:06:29,792 --> 00:06:30,810 dissolves. 71 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,234 And you don't feel nearly as wanted as you thought you were going to be. 72 00:06:39,125 --> 00:06:40,168 Am I right? 73 00:06:49,915 --> 00:06:52,176 Had you gone into the witness stand, 74 00:06:53,465 --> 00:06:55,640 what else would you've said, Mr Wallace, 75 00:06:56,785 --> 00:06:58,074 given the chance? 76 00:07:00,881 --> 00:07:01,866 I woke up. 77 00:07:05,828 --> 00:07:07,574 The knife was on the table. 78 00:07:09,939 --> 00:07:11,666 And there was blood on it. 79 00:07:15,046 --> 00:07:16,041 Then what? 80 00:07:19,970 --> 00:07:21,469 I went back upstairs. 81 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:27,822 What did you see? 82 00:07:35,085 --> 00:07:36,785 She was there, on the bed. 83 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:41,984 Do you have any memory of any kind about how she died? 84 00:07:43,043 --> 00:07:43,863 No. 85 00:07:44,736 --> 00:07:47,537 But I know that I'm not the kind of person 86 00:07:48,391 --> 00:07:50,021 that could do a thing like that. 87 00:07:54,133 --> 00:07:56,743 I want to end by asking a difficult question. 88 00:07:58,865 --> 00:08:00,617 What did you make of Melanie Lloyd? 89 00:08:04,082 --> 00:08:06,253 I thought that she was funny 90 00:08:07,915 --> 00:08:09,506 and interesting, and... 91 00:08:10,042 --> 00:08:10,942 unusual. 92 00:08:13,355 --> 00:08:15,096 And she caught me off guard. 93 00:08:16,717 --> 00:08:18,571 I thinkShe probably did that to a lot of people. 94 00:08:18,731 --> 00:08:20,850 - Stop talking about her! - Mr Lloyd! 95 00:08:22,831 --> 00:08:25,507 I can't tell you how sorry I am that your daughter is dead. 96 00:08:25,627 --> 00:08:26,384 Liar! 97 00:08:30,172 --> 00:08:31,560 Are you dishonest? 98 00:08:33,896 --> 00:08:34,646 No. 99 00:08:34,846 --> 00:08:37,101 People can rely on you to tell the truth? 100 00:08:37,844 --> 00:08:40,283 - Yes. - You're not the kind of person 101 00:08:41,476 --> 00:08:43,595 who tells lies to get what he wants? 102 00:08:44,521 --> 00:08:45,229 No. 103 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:50,859 On the night that you met Melanie Lloyd, 104 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:54,518 did you ask your father's permission to drive his black cab? 105 00:08:56,561 --> 00:08:58,889 - No. - Were you insured to drive it? 106 00:09:01,156 --> 00:09:02,995 So you were breaking the law. 107 00:09:03,461 --> 00:09:05,094 You don't have to answer any question 108 00:09:05,275 --> 00:09:07,434 which might incriminate you in another offence. 109 00:09:08,651 --> 00:09:09,543 What's funny? 110 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:12,620 It's... 111 00:09:17,161 --> 00:09:19,680 No insurance. It doesn't seem like a... 112 00:09:20,905 --> 00:09:22,992 big problem in the scale of things. 113 00:09:23,111 --> 00:09:24,668 Are you the kind of person 114 00:09:25,059 --> 00:09:27,550 who acts in such a way that the lives of others 115 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:29,414 are put at serious risk? 116 00:09:30,390 --> 00:09:31,090 No. 117 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:34,759 Is driving under the influence of Class A drugs 118 00:09:34,924 --> 00:09:36,064 a risk to others? 119 00:09:37,842 --> 00:09:40,343 - Not that kind of a person? - Same warning. 120 00:09:40,502 --> 00:09:42,062 You don't have to answer. 121 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,301 What has happened to your father's cab? 122 00:09:48,203 --> 00:09:49,348 I crashed it. 123 00:09:50,578 --> 00:09:53,359 Does he have a means of making a living without it? 124 00:09:55,965 --> 00:09:58,950 Did you think about any of that before you took his cab? 125 00:10:00,343 --> 00:10:01,152 This... 126 00:10:03,583 --> 00:10:05,222 This is just trivial stuff. 127 00:10:05,342 --> 00:10:07,463 Well, you brought it up, Mr Coulter. 128 00:10:08,278 --> 00:10:09,333 Brought what up? 129 00:10:09,453 --> 00:10:11,531 What kind of a person you are. I'm very interested 130 00:10:11,693 --> 00:10:13,501 in exploring that question. 131 00:10:15,724 --> 00:10:18,529 Why did you pick up Melanie Lloyd in your father's taxi? 132 00:10:19,245 --> 00:10:21,568 - She just got in. - Did you ask her to get out? 133 00:10:22,809 --> 00:10:24,081 - No. - Why not? 134 00:10:25,806 --> 00:10:27,939 - I don't know. - What if she'd been a man? 135 00:10:28,059 --> 00:10:30,546 - What do you mean? - Would you have allowed a strange man 136 00:10:30,666 --> 00:10:31,925 to get into the cab? 137 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,945 And then agree to drive him 50 miles 138 00:10:35,203 --> 00:10:36,447 to the seaside? 139 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:38,476 No. 140 00:10:38,779 --> 00:10:40,092 So, why with Melanie? 141 00:10:42,224 --> 00:10:44,200 Was it because you wanted to have sex with her? 142 00:10:48,469 --> 00:10:51,661 - I don't do that kind of thing. - But you did do exactly 143 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:53,599 that kind of thing. Didn't you? 144 00:10:53,873 --> 00:10:56,175 On your own admission, you had sex with Melanie 145 00:10:56,295 --> 00:10:58,116 hours after her picking her up. 146 00:10:59,255 --> 00:11:01,393 When did you decide you wanted to have sex with her? 147 00:11:01,513 --> 00:11:04,426 - I know what you're doing. - What's that, Mr Coulter? 148 00:11:04,915 --> 00:11:07,491 You're trying to find ways to make me look like someone that I'm not. 149 00:11:07,673 --> 00:11:09,002 What kind of sex? 150 00:11:11,961 --> 00:11:14,510 - What do you mean? - Don't be coy, Mr Coulter. 151 00:11:14,671 --> 00:11:16,229 This is a murder trial. 152 00:11:17,117 --> 00:11:18,037 It was... 153 00:11:20,416 --> 00:11:22,907 It wasn't... It was just over very quickly. 154 00:11:23,067 --> 00:11:24,232 It was short. 155 00:11:24,931 --> 00:11:26,346 - Yes. - Brutish? 156 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:28,657 Is that your usual way? 157 00:11:28,777 --> 00:11:32,056 Why do you want everything to be packaged and labelled? 158 00:11:32,773 --> 00:11:35,982 Life isn't like that. Sometimes things just... 159 00:11:36,295 --> 00:11:38,636 come along and happen, and it's not normal, 160 00:11:38,756 --> 00:11:41,061 and it's not the usual way, it just is. 161 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:43,769 No foreplay? 162 00:11:45,134 --> 00:11:46,861 No, not really. It was... 163 00:11:49,587 --> 00:11:50,657 She wanted... 164 00:11:51,475 --> 00:11:52,657 What did she want? 165 00:11:52,912 --> 00:11:53,889 She was... 166 00:11:54,406 --> 00:11:57,728 - asking for it to be like that. - Melanie was asking for it? 167 00:12:03,426 --> 00:12:04,812 I tried to kiss her. 168 00:12:05,583 --> 00:12:07,713 - Yes? - But she wouldn't let me. 169 00:12:08,302 --> 00:12:11,343 She withheld her consent? She said no to you kissing her? 170 00:12:12,490 --> 00:12:16,328 And you want us to believe she went on to consent to sexual intercourse? 171 00:12:17,617 --> 00:12:18,808 I'm telling the truth. 172 00:12:18,967 --> 00:12:22,446 The truth is you saw this vulnerable girl as sexual prey. 173 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:25,327 Melanie believe you were a genuine cab-driver, 174 00:12:25,447 --> 00:12:27,928 and she ended up dead because she misread your whole, 175 00:12:28,048 --> 00:12:30,084 very plausible, character. 176 00:12:30,244 --> 00:12:33,163 She thought you were Mr Normal, and that cost her her life. 177 00:12:38,219 --> 00:12:39,026 Lunch. 178 00:12:40,692 --> 00:12:42,461 Massive, massive problem. 179 00:12:42,581 --> 00:12:44,740 Whole trial blown out the water. 180 00:12:49,526 --> 00:12:51,478 First, a disappearing inhaler 181 00:12:52,042 --> 00:12:54,266 and now non-disclosure of evidence. 182 00:12:56,141 --> 00:12:57,785 The neighbour called the police 183 00:12:57,905 --> 00:12:59,990 about a big fracas involving Dad 184 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:03,466 and an angry boyfriend, and you chose not to disclose it to us. 185 00:13:04,711 --> 00:13:06,053 It's not relevant. 186 00:13:07,892 --> 00:13:10,630 Three days before the murder, Box. Not relevant? 187 00:13:12,004 --> 00:13:13,636 Now, you know the rules. 188 00:13:13,969 --> 00:13:16,508 I could kick up a massive fuss about this, or... 189 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:18,742 you can give me the name of the boy 190 00:13:18,862 --> 00:13:21,111 screaming his head off at Robert Lloyd. 191 00:13:48,477 --> 00:13:50,074 What the hell's going on? 192 00:13:50,365 --> 00:13:51,397 It's fine. 193 00:13:52,702 --> 00:13:55,686 Why their solicitor thinks he's gonna blow the case right out of the water? 194 00:13:55,806 --> 00:13:58,752 He had a problem with non-disclosure. It's gone away. 195 00:13:58,934 --> 00:14:02,452 I do not want to be embarrassed by this. I want you to tell him exactly what's going on 196 00:14:02,821 --> 00:14:05,752 and then I want to know whether this prosecution is safe to go on with. 197 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:07,370 - It's safe. - Is it? 198 00:14:07,530 --> 00:14:08,290 Are you? 199 00:14:09,374 --> 00:14:12,888 - I thought we were on the same side, sir. - We picked up a car thief last night 200 00:14:13,049 --> 00:14:15,500 in the Stockhill Estate. He was off his face. 201 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:17,766 He wasn't half chatty. You know what he said? 202 00:14:18,395 --> 00:14:20,493 Everyone knows who did the Stockhill murder. 203 00:14:20,613 --> 00:14:21,997 Why don't you, Box? 204 00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:24,045 Nobody talks. 205 00:14:24,487 --> 00:14:27,127 I thought old-school coppers were meant to get results, 206 00:14:27,247 --> 00:14:29,162 I thought that was the whole point of breaking the rules. 207 00:14:29,528 --> 00:14:31,134 This prosecution is safe. 208 00:14:31,254 --> 00:14:34,236 Mr Stone will not be blowing anything out the water. 209 00:14:34,451 --> 00:14:36,560 I want results on both cases, Box. 210 00:14:42,231 --> 00:14:44,157 We didn't like each other in school, Mel and me. 211 00:14:44,963 --> 00:14:46,708 Then, in the last year, we did. 212 00:14:47,123 --> 00:14:50,716 - And by the end, we were best friends. - Tell me about the boyfriend. 213 00:14:51,602 --> 00:14:52,425 Lizzie? 214 00:14:53,139 --> 00:14:54,284 Put it this way. 215 00:14:54,593 --> 00:14:57,729 Stuart wasn't the kind of boyfriend her dad would have wanted her to have. 216 00:14:58,077 --> 00:14:59,570 Can I write this down? 217 00:14:59,767 --> 00:15:01,635 Look, I don't want to hurt anybody. 218 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:06,485 You know, all my life, 219 00:15:07,197 --> 00:15:10,463 I've seen the way people look at me when I tell them I'm a lawyer. 220 00:15:11,024 --> 00:15:12,826 You know what that look says? 221 00:15:13,257 --> 00:15:15,341 It says, cynic. 222 00:15:16,223 --> 00:15:18,585 They think I'm a man of no principle and I'm not. 223 00:15:18,745 --> 00:15:20,852 I am a man with one principle. 224 00:15:21,773 --> 00:15:23,683 To serve the single 225 00:15:23,803 --> 00:15:25,903 greatest democratic institution 226 00:15:26,507 --> 00:15:27,764 ever invented. 227 00:15:29,258 --> 00:15:31,041 My whole reason for being 228 00:15:31,857 --> 00:15:34,127 is to give the jury everything I can 229 00:15:34,325 --> 00:15:36,059 to help them do what they do. 230 00:15:36,509 --> 00:15:37,636 I trust them. 231 00:15:38,489 --> 00:15:39,663 So should you. 232 00:15:45,366 --> 00:15:46,389 Good sleep? 233 00:15:50,143 --> 00:15:50,854 What? 234 00:15:51,014 --> 00:15:52,732 Over the lunch break, did you... 235 00:15:53,026 --> 00:15:54,482 Did you have a good sleep? 236 00:15:55,195 --> 00:15:57,561 What has this got to do with the case? 237 00:15:57,999 --> 00:16:00,235 I'm interested in what kind of a man goes to sleep 238 00:16:00,355 --> 00:16:02,370 halfway through giving evidence in a murder trial. 239 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:05,865 I'm wondering how the two things fit. 240 00:16:12,017 --> 00:16:13,387 Have you any idea 241 00:16:14,504 --> 00:16:15,583 how I feel? 242 00:16:16,789 --> 00:16:18,910 Do you know what this is like? 243 00:16:20,873 --> 00:16:22,562 What happened to you last night? 244 00:16:22,792 --> 00:16:24,762 Did you go to bed with your wife? 245 00:16:25,172 --> 00:16:26,082 Mr Coulter... 246 00:16:27,307 --> 00:16:29,006 What? They can't hear this? 247 00:16:29,663 --> 00:16:31,600 They want to look at me. 248 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:35,401 They judge me. How can they do that if they don't know what's happening to me? 249 00:16:36,387 --> 00:16:37,664 I'm very tired. 250 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:41,569 I'm tired because I'm trying to stay alive. 251 00:16:47,073 --> 00:16:48,914 Shall we continue with the trial, 252 00:16:49,074 --> 00:16:50,774 - Mr Coulter? - My name is Ben. 253 00:16:51,197 --> 00:16:53,853 I have never been called Mr Coulter in my life. 254 00:16:55,422 --> 00:16:58,140 All along, I've tried to tell you the truth. 255 00:16:59,163 --> 00:17:01,139 I just want you all to listen. 256 00:17:03,734 --> 00:17:07,394 You weren't trying to tell the truth at the police station, were you? 257 00:17:09,929 --> 00:17:11,505 - What do you mean? - "No comment. 258 00:17:12,151 --> 00:17:14,125 "No comment, no comment." 259 00:17:14,245 --> 00:17:17,581 157 times in interview. 260 00:17:18,266 --> 00:17:20,143 My solicitor told me to do it. 261 00:17:20,536 --> 00:17:23,182 You did manage, at one stage, to break free 262 00:17:23,342 --> 00:17:25,663 of the tyranny of silence imposed on you by your solicitor 263 00:17:25,783 --> 00:17:27,500 and you started to answer questions. 264 00:17:28,853 --> 00:17:31,979 I didn't feel comfortable about saying "no comment" all the time. 265 00:17:32,601 --> 00:17:34,050 Didn't last, did it? 266 00:17:35,224 --> 00:17:37,376 You went back to "no comment" when the going got tough. 267 00:17:37,537 --> 00:17:38,936 That's what you do, isn't it? 268 00:17:39,195 --> 00:17:42,436 You make a big noise when you can, and when things get difficult, 269 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:43,616 you clam up. 270 00:17:44,472 --> 00:17:45,973 That's what you're doing now. 271 00:17:46,135 --> 00:17:48,226 When Ben Coulter can't explain something, 272 00:17:48,346 --> 00:17:50,651 he looks at the floor and says nothing. 273 00:17:51,468 --> 00:17:54,782 And you can't explain the death of Melanie Lloyd, can you? Why? 274 00:17:55,256 --> 00:17:56,905 Because you killed her. 275 00:18:11,230 --> 00:18:12,330 How can I help? 276 00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:14,508 Do you have any Nurse With Wound? 277 00:18:15,978 --> 00:18:17,371 No, sorry. 278 00:18:18,938 --> 00:18:19,896 Melanie Lloyd? 279 00:18:24,418 --> 00:18:26,160 You didn't go to the funeral. 280 00:18:26,883 --> 00:18:27,680 No. 281 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:28,712 Why not? 282 00:18:31,382 --> 00:18:32,957 You and the dad not get along? 283 00:18:33,448 --> 00:18:35,196 Who've you been talking to? 284 00:18:35,561 --> 00:18:38,556 You lost your temper with him a few days before Melanie's murder. 285 00:18:39,354 --> 00:18:42,525 - You've got that the wrong way round. - What's the wrong way round? 286 00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:45,572 He works nights. 287 00:18:45,823 --> 00:18:47,032 He came home early. 288 00:18:48,742 --> 00:18:49,751 He went for me. 289 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:51,249 Melanie's dad? 290 00:18:52,183 --> 00:18:54,389 - Yep. - Oh, that's interesting. 291 00:18:54,835 --> 00:18:56,157 See, I've been asking around 292 00:18:56,277 --> 00:18:58,549 and it seems you're the one with form for violence. 293 00:19:00,134 --> 00:19:02,145 And a spot of credit-card fraud. 294 00:19:02,838 --> 00:19:03,987 So that makes you... 295 00:19:05,996 --> 00:19:07,146 a violent liar? 296 00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:15,227 You need me to be some kind of low life, 297 00:19:15,928 --> 00:19:16,823 don't you? 298 00:19:18,168 --> 00:19:18,956 Sorry. 299 00:19:19,698 --> 00:19:21,317 No criminal convictions. 300 00:19:23,709 --> 00:19:25,300 In your version of events, 301 00:19:25,512 --> 00:19:26,508 you woke up, 302 00:19:27,126 --> 00:19:29,682 you went to the bedroom and you discovered Melanie dead. 303 00:19:30,084 --> 00:19:32,319 You ran out, you got in the cab and you drove away. 304 00:19:32,439 --> 00:19:33,623 - Yes. - Fast. 305 00:19:34,488 --> 00:19:38,243 The blind panic of somebody who's just seen something truly terrible? 306 00:19:38,801 --> 00:19:39,694 Yes. 307 00:19:41,944 --> 00:19:43,427 And then you went back. 308 00:19:44,796 --> 00:19:46,416 In your blind panic, 309 00:19:47,221 --> 00:19:49,025 you turned the taxi around 310 00:19:49,145 --> 00:19:53,003 and you drove back to the place you'd just been so desperate to get away from. 311 00:19:56,757 --> 00:19:58,568 I didn't know what I was doing. 312 00:19:59,006 --> 00:20:01,338 The wiping of blood from cupboard handles. 313 00:20:01,676 --> 00:20:04,175 The retrieval of the jacket you'd left behind. 314 00:20:04,447 --> 00:20:06,599 The wiping down of the walls. 315 00:20:07,816 --> 00:20:09,780 The removal and concealment of the knife 316 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:12,991 which tests have now established was used to kill Melanie. 317 00:20:13,314 --> 00:20:14,421 All panic? 318 00:20:19,625 --> 00:20:21,174 I knew how it looked. 319 00:20:21,501 --> 00:20:23,350 You know how it looks to me? 320 00:20:24,266 --> 00:20:27,642 It looks like a cold-blooded, calculated attempt 321 00:20:28,523 --> 00:20:31,044 to get rid of deeply-incriminating evidence. 322 00:20:33,224 --> 00:20:34,773 I'm not cold-blooded. 323 00:20:36,854 --> 00:20:38,986 Right aAt the very start of this cross examination, 324 00:20:39,106 --> 00:20:42,432 I asked you if you could be relied upon to tell the truth. Do you remember? 325 00:20:43,594 --> 00:20:45,392 - Yes. - And you told this court 326 00:20:45,882 --> 00:20:47,251 you were an honest person. 327 00:20:48,471 --> 00:20:50,590 - Yes. - Do you want to change that answer? 328 00:20:51,899 --> 00:20:53,248 - No. - Are you sure? 329 00:20:57,563 --> 00:20:58,266 Yes. 330 00:20:58,593 --> 00:21:00,467 How long have you been at university? 331 00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:06,891 Who are you looking at? 332 00:21:16,947 --> 00:21:17,940 My mum and dad. 333 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:18,770 Why? 334 00:21:22,307 --> 00:21:23,617 I dropped out... 335 00:21:24,592 --> 00:21:25,481 of uni. 336 00:21:27,591 --> 00:21:28,391 When? 337 00:21:31,529 --> 00:21:33,014 Seven months ago. 338 00:21:33,176 --> 00:21:34,126 I'm sorry? 339 00:21:34,852 --> 00:21:36,221 Seven months ago. 340 00:21:37,568 --> 00:21:39,164 Did you tell your mother? 341 00:21:39,742 --> 00:21:41,064 - No. - Your father? 342 00:21:41,184 --> 00:21:41,914 No. 343 00:21:43,023 --> 00:21:45,828 You lied to them for all that time? 344 00:21:48,447 --> 00:21:50,196 I'm asking you a question. 345 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:52,609 I can't hear you. 346 00:22:01,595 --> 00:22:03,142 Did you leave the housein the morning, 347 00:22:03,262 --> 00:22:06,188 pretending that you were going to lectures? 348 00:22:08,526 --> 00:22:10,598 Did you talk about your day 349 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:13,987 with your parents when you got back in the evening? 350 00:22:19,682 --> 00:22:21,718 If you don't answer, I'm very happy to call 351 00:22:21,879 --> 00:22:24,014 your mother and father to tell us. 352 00:22:26,437 --> 00:22:29,294 Months and months of lying. 353 00:22:33,481 --> 00:22:35,831 You're not an honest person, are you? 354 00:22:37,035 --> 00:22:39,301 When you were in the back of the police car, 355 00:22:39,486 --> 00:22:42,470 you asked a question. "Is she dead?" Did you say that? 356 00:22:47,864 --> 00:22:49,871 I hoped that maybe I was wrong... 357 00:22:51,272 --> 00:22:52,612 and that she was still alive. 358 00:22:52,732 --> 00:22:54,981 Did you bother to call an ambulance? 359 00:22:58,666 --> 00:22:59,934 - No. - Why not? 360 00:23:05,281 --> 00:23:06,831 - I was scared. - Of what? 361 00:23:12,032 --> 00:23:14,160 That it looked like me who'd done it. 362 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,163 You put your own self interest 363 00:23:16,919 --> 00:23:18,996 ahead of saving her life, didn't you? 364 00:23:21,124 --> 00:23:23,337 - That's how it looks. - It is how it looks. 365 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,496 What did you do instead? 366 00:23:26,576 --> 00:23:28,032 You tried to run away, didn't you?Attention CP non detect�, d'ou la coupe 367 00:23:30,329 --> 00:23:32,193 - Yes. - You ran away 368 00:23:32,313 --> 00:23:34,346 with the murder weapon in your possession. 369 00:23:34,466 --> 00:23:37,781 The knife you claim that earlier on in the night 370 00:23:38,173 --> 00:23:40,634 you'd stuck in Melanie Lloyd's hand, as...Attention CP non detect�, �ventuellement faire passer le "as" dans la suite... (en tout cas en VF) 371 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:42,044 part of a game? 372 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,210 What did that feel like? 373 00:23:51,392 --> 00:23:52,269 I don't know. 374 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:55,260 Come on. This is your version of events. What did it feel like 375 00:23:57,337 --> 00:23:58,606 to put a knife... 376 00:23:59,885 --> 00:24:01,535 in another human being? 377 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:07,221 It was a game. 378 00:24:08,211 --> 00:24:09,473 It went too far. 379 00:24:10,952 --> 00:24:11,887 How far? 380 00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:17,620 Do you remember? 381 00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:22,056 How far? 382 00:24:42,318 --> 00:24:45,077 You've been in the witness box for a very long time. 383 00:24:47,391 --> 00:24:48,496 You've had... 384 00:24:48,877 --> 00:24:50,007 your evidence, 385 00:24:50,507 --> 00:24:53,151 your past, your character, everything about you 386 00:24:53,271 --> 00:24:55,305 tested and tested and tested. 387 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:01,455 What I want to know from you is simple. 388 00:25:03,472 --> 00:25:05,111 Did you kill Melanie? 389 00:25:11,611 --> 00:25:12,470 Ben? 390 00:25:34,668 --> 00:25:36,011 Closing up now. 391 00:27:19,347 --> 00:27:20,397 You blew it. 392 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:24,098 - What? - In the witness box. 393 00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:49,212 How bad was it? 394 00:27:49,691 --> 00:27:51,343 On a scale of one to ten? 395 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:54,968 Right, well, water under the bridge. 396 00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:58,487 Unless he actually confessed to the murder. 397 00:28:00,044 --> 00:28:01,668 All right. So we move on. 398 00:28:01,894 --> 00:28:04,120 - With what? - With tThe best that we have at the moment, 399 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,365 Lizzie Smith. 400 00:28:05,744 --> 00:28:07,318 She can tell us all about Melanie's 401 00:28:07,438 --> 00:28:10,957 jealous, violent boyfriend, Stuart, and the fight he had with Melanie's dad. 402 00:28:11,412 --> 00:28:12,932 - She saw it? - No, 403 00:28:13,156 --> 00:28:14,917 but Melanie told her about it. 404 00:28:18,108 --> 00:28:20,059 I've just been to see the boyfriend. 405 00:28:20,179 --> 00:28:21,029 And...? 406 00:28:21,964 --> 00:28:23,114 Disappointing. 407 00:28:23,753 --> 00:28:26,234 But there's mud to be thrown, and where there's mud, there's hope. 408 00:28:26,354 --> 00:28:27,431 So chin up. 409 00:28:28,352 --> 00:28:29,759 You like being proved right, don't you? 410 00:28:31,055 --> 00:28:32,829 I like getting my clients off. 411 00:28:49,983 --> 00:28:51,032 Good shower? 412 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:10,942 Hello, Ben! 413 00:29:18,349 --> 00:29:20,413 Is there anything you want to tell me? 414 00:29:22,446 --> 00:29:23,146 No. 415 00:29:23,864 --> 00:29:24,967 Are you sure? 416 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:30,611 Yeah. 417 00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:38,299 Look at me. 418 00:29:42,469 --> 00:29:43,764 What do I need to know? 419 00:29:49,038 --> 00:29:50,335 Is there anything 420 00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:52,335 you want to tell me? 421 00:29:53,677 --> 00:29:55,126 You've betrayed me. 422 00:29:56,890 --> 00:29:57,830 Come on... 423 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:01,213 - It was just his phone. - Don't insult my intelligence. 424 00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:03,662 Don't insult your own intelligence. 425 00:30:05,067 --> 00:30:05,986 I want... 426 00:30:07,094 --> 00:30:09,215 your disagreements with this man 427 00:30:09,854 --> 00:30:10,744 to end. 428 00:30:34,372 --> 00:30:35,222 Come on! 429 00:30:36,548 --> 00:30:38,322 Come on! Go on! 430 00:30:38,696 --> 00:30:39,546 Get him! 431 00:31:21,102 --> 00:31:22,052 So, what? 432 00:31:23,239 --> 00:31:24,577 You're the good guy, Hooch! 433 00:31:27,382 --> 00:31:28,678 Daddy Hooch! 434 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,705 Who took the phone, Hooch? 435 00:31:38,488 --> 00:31:39,438 Tell him. 436 00:31:45,844 --> 00:31:47,248 Tell him! 437 00:31:53,775 --> 00:31:54,725 It was me. 438 00:31:56,492 --> 00:31:57,276 You... 439 00:31:59,767 --> 00:32:01,016 You set this up? 440 00:32:01,874 --> 00:32:02,836 You're his! 441 00:32:06,374 --> 00:32:08,194 You see, my friend Hooch here? 442 00:32:10,077 --> 00:32:11,733 He's a very good listener. 443 00:32:17,952 --> 00:32:19,102 I trusted you. 444 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:22,709 You're a liar. 445 00:32:28,794 --> 00:32:30,026 I didn't see anything. 446 00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:33,106 There's nearly 300 prisoners on this wing, and two of us on duty tonight. 447 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,185 What do you think's going to happen if we start seeing things? 448 00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:40,055 We are the custodians of law and order. 449 00:32:41,104 --> 00:32:44,447 That means letting the number one run things his own way. Right? 450 00:32:50,317 --> 00:32:52,189 Get me out of here. Please. 451 00:33:08,719 --> 00:33:09,974 My name's Gordon. 452 00:33:11,567 --> 00:33:12,418 Ben. 453 00:33:13,581 --> 00:33:14,850 You're safe now. 454 00:33:22,174 --> 00:33:24,419 Have the prosecution drawn attention to the bruises? 455 00:33:24,539 --> 00:33:26,535 Did their expert made a big deal of it? 456 00:33:26,771 --> 00:33:27,530 No. 457 00:33:28,101 --> 00:33:29,484 How tall's your client? 458 00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:32,000 5ft 7, maybe. 459 00:33:32,357 --> 00:33:33,154 Build? 460 00:33:33,773 --> 00:33:35,816 No, no, he's a skinny kid. 461 00:33:41,944 --> 00:33:42,894 Thank you. 462 00:33:49,205 --> 00:33:50,029 So, 463 00:33:50,372 --> 00:33:52,812 what are the chances of the judge allowing it in? 464 00:33:52,932 --> 00:33:55,711 This late in the day? 50/50 maybe. 465 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:59,155 It's really good. 466 00:34:02,664 --> 00:34:05,234 Well, you'll need time to digest it. 467 00:34:10,158 --> 00:34:11,368 Judy Garland! 468 00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:14,391 She used to say it was 469 00:34:14,936 --> 00:34:17,424 impossibly hard to sing in front of thousands of people 470 00:34:17,544 --> 00:34:19,109 and then stop and do nothing. 471 00:34:20,817 --> 00:34:21,970 Play Carnegie Hall, 472 00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:25,827 standing ovations, empty hotel rooms. She couldn't do it. She couldn't... 473 00:34:26,737 --> 00:34:27,626 come down. 474 00:34:28,437 --> 00:34:30,067 Are you trying to tell me 475 00:34:30,187 --> 00:34:32,327 that my report on this dead body 476 00:34:32,447 --> 00:34:34,664 is your very own version of Over The Rainbow? 477 00:34:36,047 --> 00:34:38,196 And now you need a little company? 478 00:34:40,313 --> 00:34:42,062 Or am I completely wrong? 479 00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:47,437 I love her. 480 00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:53,784 That's what none of them understand. 481 00:34:55,077 --> 00:34:57,226 They want to make it ugly and bad. 482 00:34:59,481 --> 00:35:00,574 But it wasn't. 483 00:35:10,415 --> 00:35:11,540 Are you awake? 484 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:17,792 I said goodbye to her. 485 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,365 Nobody knows this, but... 486 00:35:22,242 --> 00:35:23,991 ... I got my flowers to her. 487 00:35:28,053 --> 00:35:29,569 Eight yellow roses. 488 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,323 One for every year of her little life. 489 00:35:35,971 --> 00:35:37,144 Leave me alone. 490 00:35:37,563 --> 00:35:39,113 You're not alone, Ben. 491 00:35:39,437 --> 00:35:41,135 You'll be all right with us. 492 00:35:41,742 --> 00:35:43,432 We look after our own here. 493 00:35:44,553 --> 00:35:45,999 I'm a follower of Mr Graham. 494 00:35:47,845 --> 00:35:49,226 Open your heart, 495 00:35:49,813 --> 00:35:50,866 let him in. 496 00:36:01,569 --> 00:36:02,846 They've got to be joking. 497 00:36:02,966 --> 00:36:06,272 You can't hand over an expert report two-thirds of the way through a trial. 498 00:36:06,432 --> 00:36:08,623 We haven't got time to digest it, analyse it, 499 00:36:08,743 --> 00:36:11,743 instruct our own expert to deconstruct its findings. 500 00:36:12,194 --> 00:36:13,189 Miss Kapoor? 501 00:36:16,393 --> 00:36:17,472 He's right. 502 00:36:18,007 --> 00:36:20,427 If I were him, I'd be ranting and raving about unfairness. 503 00:36:22,037 --> 00:36:23,557 But it's a short report. 504 00:36:23,866 --> 00:36:26,309 Any barrister in his right mind should be able to... 505 00:36:26,429 --> 00:36:28,824 digest, analyse and deconstruct what it says. 506 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:31,982 And this is a murder trial. 507 00:36:32,158 --> 00:36:34,182 The stakes could not be higher. 508 00:36:34,763 --> 00:36:36,178 Any judge in their right mind 509 00:36:36,298 --> 00:36:39,221 should never let mere inconvenience get in the way of justice in the round. 510 00:36:42,881 --> 00:36:43,798 Mr Painter. 511 00:36:44,558 --> 00:36:47,258 You've been in this job a long time, and so have I. 512 00:36:48,286 --> 00:36:50,985 Whether either of us is in our right mind or not, 513 00:36:51,327 --> 00:36:53,958 I'm sure we can cope with a surprise late in the day. 514 00:36:55,361 --> 00:36:57,934 Mr Painter. You'll want Professor Callaghan sitting behind you 515 00:36:58,339 --> 00:37:00,613 so he can hear what is said and give you assistance. 516 00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:07,899 They are not defence wounds. 517 00:37:08,137 --> 00:37:09,297 Why do you say that? 518 00:37:09,417 --> 00:37:11,966 People who are trying to defend themselves in a knife attack 519 00:37:12,086 --> 00:37:14,049 don't usually try and parry blows. 520 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,295 - What do they do? - They try to grab the knife. 521 00:37:17,716 --> 00:37:20,528 In which case, there will be longitudinal cuts on the palm. 522 00:37:20,648 --> 00:37:23,168 More than one if it's a double-edged blade. 523 00:37:23,294 --> 00:37:26,764 The wound she sustained was a puncture wound caused by the point of the knife. 524 00:37:27,625 --> 00:37:30,780 - She didn't try to grab the knife. - What if she were the exception? 525 00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,121 What if she were trying to parry the blows, fend them off? 526 00:37:34,588 --> 00:37:36,561 That'd result in the injuries described? 527 00:37:37,245 --> 00:37:39,650 No. The nature of the wound would be completely different. 528 00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:40,537 How? 529 00:37:41,292 --> 00:37:43,550 The tip of the knife is not very sharp. 530 00:37:43,997 --> 00:37:46,041 For the blade to have entered her palm 531 00:37:46,161 --> 00:37:48,517 and to have penetrated to the depth of wound here, 532 00:37:49,094 --> 00:37:51,327 her hand would have had to be against something. 533 00:37:51,447 --> 00:37:54,544 If she was holding her hand in the air, so as to deflect the knife 534 00:37:54,664 --> 00:37:57,954 during an attack upon her, it would be impossible for a wound 535 00:37:58,113 --> 00:38:00,457 of this type and depth to have resulted. 536 00:38:02,019 --> 00:38:04,462 If Melanie, in the hours before her death, 537 00:38:04,582 --> 00:38:07,149 had held her hand palm upwards on the table 538 00:38:07,269 --> 00:38:09,691 and the knife had been brought down on the palm... 539 00:38:09,811 --> 00:38:13,085 That would be entirely consistent with the wound on her palm. 540 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,208 What about the vaginal injuries? 541 00:38:16,552 --> 00:38:19,087 As a medical finding, absolutely neutral. 542 00:38:19,293 --> 00:38:21,252 You get injuries to the posterior fourchette 543 00:38:21,372 --> 00:38:23,545 in both consensual and non-consensual sex. 544 00:38:24,003 --> 00:38:24,989 The heart? 545 00:38:25,374 --> 00:38:28,903 There is no question that the knife entered her heart and caused her death. 546 00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:31,638 But it would not have been instantaneous. 547 00:38:31,928 --> 00:38:34,383 It's a common misconception that people die straight away 548 00:38:34,503 --> 00:38:36,976 from violent trauma to the heart. It's not true. 549 00:38:37,234 --> 00:38:39,858 And it isn't painless. In some cases, 550 00:38:40,269 --> 00:38:42,244 it can take upto two minutes to die. 551 00:38:43,133 --> 00:38:45,016 Is there any evidence of that here? 552 00:38:45,136 --> 00:38:48,376 The stab wound was through the left ventricle, which is more muscular 553 00:38:48,536 --> 00:38:52,425 and can contract and therefore postpone the fatal haemorrhage for a while. 554 00:38:53,694 --> 00:38:57,210 And the grip marks on her upper arms suggest that she was held down. 555 00:38:57,421 --> 00:38:58,832 That she struggled desperately 556 00:38:59,592 --> 00:39:02,705 and had to be restrained during the time it took her to die. 557 00:39:02,825 --> 00:39:05,682 What conclusions, if any, can you draw from the bruises? 558 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,881 They were caused by someone with large hands. 559 00:39:12,927 --> 00:39:15,864 Could the defendant have left those marks? 560 00:39:16,982 --> 00:39:17,873 No. 561 00:39:22,664 --> 00:39:25,665 When were you instructed by defence solicitors to look at this case? 562 00:39:25,785 --> 00:39:26,925 48 hours ago. 563 00:39:27,522 --> 00:39:30,317 What's the normal amount of time you'd expect to be given in a murder case 564 00:39:30,437 --> 00:39:32,349 such as this to arrive at your findings? 565 00:39:32,469 --> 00:39:33,359 Months. 566 00:39:33,828 --> 00:39:36,474 - You weren't able to look at the body of the victim? - No. 567 00:39:36,594 --> 00:39:38,151 You were at a disadvantage 568 00:39:38,319 --> 00:39:40,150 compared with Professor Callaghan. 569 00:39:40,318 --> 00:39:43,269 I had the postmortem report and the report of your expert. 570 00:39:43,684 --> 00:39:46,892 "Your expert" is a curiously personal way of putting things. 571 00:39:47,012 --> 00:39:49,306 Experts have a duty to the court as professional witnesses. 572 00:39:49,537 --> 00:39:51,022 They don't belong to anyone. 573 00:39:51,142 --> 00:39:53,677 The expert upon whom the prosecution rely. 574 00:39:55,673 --> 00:39:59,421 When you were approached so late in the day to take on this work, 575 00:40:00,043 --> 00:40:04,430 did you ask if the defence had approached another expert earlier on the process? 576 00:40:04,771 --> 00:40:07,966 The defendant's solicitor, Mr Stone, had sounded out other experts 577 00:40:08,086 --> 00:40:10,330 - but decided not to instruct them. - Why not? 578 00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:11,421 I don't know. 579 00:40:11,541 --> 00:40:15,162 If I did know, I wouldn't tell you because it would be privileged information. 580 00:40:16,745 --> 00:40:18,945 Do you and Mr Stone... 581 00:40:21,229 --> 00:40:23,034 have a special relationship? 582 00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:26,021 - We go back a long way. - I won't dig any deeper. 583 00:40:26,182 --> 00:40:29,325 We slept with each other last night. Is that what you wanted to know? 584 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:33,292 So, the 48 hours to complete your work on this case 585 00:40:33,504 --> 00:40:36,266 was reduced by the time you spent 586 00:40:36,971 --> 00:40:39,609 in bed with your instructing solicitor? 587 00:40:40,257 --> 00:40:43,008 You took this work on because you wanted to please Mr Stone, didn't you? 588 00:40:43,128 --> 00:40:44,950 Quite the opposite. I didn't want to do it. 589 00:40:45,216 --> 00:40:47,381 He seemed to be behaving in an a very unprofessional manner, 590 00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:49,580 but I was persuaded. 591 00:40:49,787 --> 00:40:51,605 By his undoubted charm. 592 00:40:51,931 --> 00:40:54,505 I took the case on because I have concerns 593 00:40:54,625 --> 00:40:56,870 about the quality of the prosecution medical evidence. 594 00:40:57,130 --> 00:40:58,481 And because I know 595 00:40:58,601 --> 00:41:02,322 a jury is very unlikely to ignore the evidence of an expert witness 596 00:41:02,573 --> 00:41:04,298 when he stands unopposed. 597 00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:06,690 You're very certain of your conclusions 598 00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:10,359 in what is an inexact and interpretative science. 599 00:41:10,651 --> 00:41:14,218 And I have no doubt, had I not come here and said what I have said, 600 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:16,978 you would have made a closing speech to this jury 601 00:41:17,098 --> 00:41:19,483 about the quality of your expert's 602 00:41:19,644 --> 00:41:20,819 unchallenged opinion 603 00:41:20,939 --> 00:41:23,514 and the weight they should give to it and to him. 604 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,969 You're the witness. I'm asking the questions. 605 00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:29,035 And you are not behaving as a professional witness should. 606 00:41:29,155 --> 00:41:32,872 Whether the defendant is convicted or acquitted is of no consequence to me. 607 00:41:33,122 --> 00:41:34,670 I am here to tell the jury 608 00:41:35,348 --> 00:41:37,117 Mr Callaghan could be wrong 609 00:41:37,543 --> 00:41:39,033 and I could be right. 610 00:41:39,955 --> 00:41:42,134 The jury will decide between us. 611 00:41:47,293 --> 00:41:49,648 Nightmare. Might as well have been Audrey Hepburn. 612 00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:50,665 Nightmare! 613 00:41:51,206 --> 00:41:52,317 It's me first. 614 00:41:52,437 --> 00:41:55,383 I'll ask you about Stuart Napier and how he was with Melanie. 615 00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:59,161 All I need you to do is look at me and tell me what you told Stone. 616 00:41:59,659 --> 00:42:01,325 Then I get cross-examined? 617 00:42:01,445 --> 00:42:02,145 Yes. 618 00:42:09,837 --> 00:42:11,785 I'm going to ask you some more questions. 619 00:42:12,799 --> 00:42:15,823 You had very limited access to this relationship. 620 00:42:16,471 --> 00:42:19,303 You mean I didn't see much of Melanie and Stuart together? 621 00:42:19,922 --> 00:42:21,222 - No. - You heard things, 622 00:42:21,382 --> 00:42:25,013 you picked up bits and pieces here and there about how they got along? 623 00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:25,877 Yes. 624 00:42:25,997 --> 00:42:29,048 You didn't know what was happening between Melanie and Stuart, say, 625 00:42:29,419 --> 00:42:31,790 - a month before she died? - Not really. 626 00:42:32,862 --> 00:42:34,116 Or a week before? 627 00:42:34,663 --> 00:42:36,726 - No. - Or even the day before? 628 00:42:38,521 --> 00:42:40,568 - The day before, absolutely. - You have only a very 629 00:42:40,688 --> 00:42:43,665 - generalised outsider's view. - Wait. Don't do that! 630 00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:46,181 I haven't finished. You cut in on me. 631 00:42:46,813 --> 00:42:48,533 You'd better tTell us what were you going to say. 632 00:42:51,392 --> 00:42:52,930 The day before she died, 633 00:42:53,091 --> 00:42:54,793 I went round to the house. 634 00:42:55,822 --> 00:42:59,154 When I got to the door, I could hear her dad yelling at her about Stuart. 635 00:42:59,915 --> 00:43:00,920 What did he say? 636 00:43:01,773 --> 00:43:02,967 He was going mad. 637 00:43:03,344 --> 00:43:05,804 He kept saying, "You're not to see that man. I won't let you go." 638 00:43:08,091 --> 00:43:09,540 He was going spare. 639 00:43:11,086 --> 00:43:12,635 But he was like that. 640 00:43:15,077 --> 00:43:16,125 Like what? 641 00:43:22,093 --> 00:43:23,668 Ever since her mum died, 642 00:43:24,786 --> 00:43:26,589 he kept Melanie really close. 643 00:43:27,332 --> 00:43:28,551 He vetted everybody. 644 00:43:29,595 --> 00:43:32,038 In some ways, it was hard to be her friend. 645 00:43:32,951 --> 00:43:34,309 He was possessive? 646 00:43:36,241 --> 00:43:36,995 Yes. 647 00:43:38,011 --> 00:43:39,307 Obsessive possessive? 648 00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:42,217 - I'm not an expert. - No, you're not. 649 00:43:42,705 --> 00:43:45,105 And Miss Kapoor should not be asking you questions 650 00:43:45,273 --> 00:43:46,833 which suggest that you are. 651 00:43:47,308 --> 00:43:50,502 But my non-expert commonsense view is that she's right, yes. 652 00:43:51,486 --> 00:43:52,782 Obsessive possessive. 653 00:44:02,817 --> 00:44:05,154 You haven't mentioned any of this before. 654 00:44:07,052 --> 00:44:08,024 I wonder why. 655 00:44:08,333 --> 00:44:10,024 Because nobody asked me. 656 00:45:11,038 --> 00:45:12,603 Lizzie turned out to be a gift. 657 00:45:13,554 --> 00:45:16,033 Helen's made a real dent in the pathologist. 658 00:45:20,053 --> 00:45:20,753 What? 659 00:45:21,429 --> 00:45:24,278 Big hands, violent temper, access to the house. 660 00:45:24,597 --> 00:45:27,710 The last time he found a boyfriend at home, he beat him up. 661 00:45:28,605 --> 00:45:30,203 I'm calling Robert Lloyd. 662 00:45:31,564 --> 00:45:32,988 We're going after Dad. 663 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,423 I really thought that you were somebody who was surviving in here. 664 00:45:44,449 --> 00:45:45,908 Outside of the rules. 665 00:45:47,994 --> 00:45:51,203 Being a listener in this place is like being a priest. 666 00:45:51,323 --> 00:45:54,020 People talk to me like they've never talked to anybody else before. 667 00:45:54,495 --> 00:45:55,828 It gives them hope. 668 00:45:56,025 --> 00:45:58,366 Some of them, I'm keeping alive. 669 00:45:59,562 --> 00:46:00,916 And when Graham 670 00:46:01,036 --> 00:46:03,859 informs me that I have to tell him everything I heard, 671 00:46:03,979 --> 00:46:06,304 - what am I supposed to do? - You could have said no. 672 00:46:08,018 --> 00:46:09,713 You still don't get it, do you? 673 00:46:10,049 --> 00:46:11,914 Freddie Graham runs this place. 674 00:46:12,034 --> 00:46:15,715 If I'd have said no, my listener's job would have disappeared like that. 675 00:46:17,714 --> 00:46:18,991 I love what I do. 676 00:46:20,998 --> 00:46:22,499 It's what I am in here. 677 00:46:24,913 --> 00:46:26,005 But you betray them. 678 00:46:26,492 --> 00:46:27,192 No! 679 00:46:28,877 --> 00:46:31,530 I don't tell Graham every single thing I hear. 680 00:46:34,203 --> 00:46:36,981 So they carry on thinking you're their best friend, 681 00:46:37,987 --> 00:46:40,257 - which makes it easy for you? - Easy?! 682 00:46:40,767 --> 00:46:43,651 There's not a day goes by without me despising the role I took. 683 00:46:45,303 --> 00:46:46,598 The corrupting... 684 00:46:47,725 --> 00:46:48,845 It happens... 685 00:46:49,042 --> 00:46:50,001 so fast. 686 00:46:52,815 --> 00:46:54,316 And once I'd started... 687 00:46:55,565 --> 00:46:56,926 I couldn't go back. 688 00:46:59,823 --> 00:47:00,884 I'm not confessing. 689 00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:04,084 I don't want your forgiveness. I don't want anyone's forgiveness. 690 00:47:07,063 --> 00:47:08,309 What do you want? 691 00:47:08,562 --> 00:47:09,462 What? 692 00:47:22,458 --> 00:47:24,477 He knows about what's happening in the trial. 693 00:47:25,999 --> 00:47:27,144 That's not me. 694 00:47:30,129 --> 00:47:31,828 Where does it come from, then? 695 00:47:34,173 --> 00:47:35,322 I don't know. 696 00:47:41,063 --> 00:47:42,943 Don't do it. Don't call the dad. 697 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,581 Suddenly you want to reverse the burden of proof. 698 00:47:46,701 --> 00:47:48,768 We don't have to prove anything, remember? 699 00:47:48,887 --> 00:47:50,216 Don't patronize me. 700 00:47:53,197 --> 00:47:56,580 - It's the right thing to do. - Right? What do you know about right? 701 00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:00,647 You're 26 years old, you've never been near a case this serious in your life. 702 00:48:01,318 --> 00:48:03,868 - Don't do this! - Ben didn't murder Melanie Lloyd. 703 00:48:03,988 --> 00:48:05,376 If he didn't, who did? 704 00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:07,334 That's the wrong question! 705 00:48:07,916 --> 00:48:10,973 You're 46 years old, you've spent more than half your life being a lawyer. 706 00:48:11,381 --> 00:48:13,248 What do you know about wrong? 707 00:48:17,578 --> 00:48:19,163 I've had enough of this. 708 00:48:20,969 --> 00:48:24,545 I will not run a murder trial as a series of defence whims. 709 00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:26,277 Now, 710 00:48:27,103 --> 00:48:29,647 what the hell do you think you're playing at? 711 00:48:30,308 --> 00:48:31,547 Straight answer! 712 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,342 I want to call Robert Lloyd. 713 00:48:34,722 --> 00:48:36,116 The victim's father? 714 00:48:36,723 --> 00:48:39,091 No property in a witness, I can call anyone I like. 715 00:48:39,685 --> 00:48:42,049 He's been in court the entire time. He's heard the whole trial. 716 00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:45,409 Then we'll all have to be very careful about the weight we give to his evidence. 717 00:48:45,725 --> 00:48:47,328 Is the defence case 718 00:48:47,448 --> 00:48:49,999 that Robert Lloyd murdered his daughter? 719 00:48:51,399 --> 00:48:53,398 I want to explore that possibility. 720 00:48:53,706 --> 00:48:57,005 I'm not having you going on a fishing expedition with this man. 721 00:48:57,411 --> 00:48:58,410 Yes or no? 722 00:48:58,931 --> 00:49:01,835 Are you saying that Robert Lloyd murdered his daughter? 723 00:49:04,902 --> 00:49:05,662 Yes. 724 00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:11,422 Were you arguing with Melanie the day before she was murdered? 725 00:49:13,155 --> 00:49:14,491 You shouted at her. 726 00:49:15,338 --> 00:49:17,636 You told her you would never let her go. 727 00:49:18,877 --> 00:49:20,405 Do you remember saying that? 728 00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:24,269 She used to tell me everything. 729 00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:28,527 And then she stopped. 730 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:31,578 What were you afraid of, Mr Lloyd? 731 00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:42,980 Three years ago, I lost my wife. 732 00:49:45,586 --> 00:49:49,307 Before she died she made me promise to keep up certain standards with Mel. 733 00:49:52,504 --> 00:49:55,592 Stuart Napier, Melanie's last boyfriend. 734 00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:58,400 Was he up to standard? 735 00:50:00,752 --> 00:50:04,236 What did you do when you came home one night and found him there with Melanie? 736 00:50:04,355 --> 00:50:06,205 - I made him leave. - How? 737 00:50:07,014 --> 00:50:07,852 With force. 738 00:50:08,187 --> 00:50:09,292 You attacked him. 739 00:50:10,362 --> 00:50:12,560 He was bad for her. I got rid of him. 740 00:50:17,525 --> 00:50:19,693 Where were you on the night she died? 741 00:50:20,335 --> 00:50:21,335 I was at work. 742 00:50:21,669 --> 00:50:23,814 You work as a security guard on a building site? 743 00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:25,025 Yeah. 744 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:27,915 Do you every leave work early? 745 00:50:34,466 --> 00:50:36,442 Mr Lloyd, you have to answer the question. 746 00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:38,131 Yes, you know that. 747 00:50:39,102 --> 00:50:40,649 What about that night? 748 00:50:41,982 --> 00:50:42,883 Yes. 749 00:50:44,339 --> 00:50:46,359 You came home and let yourself in. 750 00:50:46,527 --> 00:50:49,645 And you found a stranger asleep at the kitchen table. 751 00:50:49,765 --> 00:50:51,595 Half naked, passed out, drunk. 752 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,324 - No. - You lost control. 753 00:50:53,484 --> 00:50:55,204 - This is ridiculous. - You couldn't stand it. 754 00:50:55,379 --> 00:50:56,642 Your daughter having sex 755 00:50:56,803 --> 00:50:59,602 with a stranger in your house, how could she do this to you? 756 00:50:59,894 --> 00:51:01,599 How far below her mother's standards 757 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,039 - could she go? - Enough! 758 00:51:03,216 --> 00:51:05,197 - Dock officers! - Leave us alone! 759 00:51:05,377 --> 00:51:06,160 Us? 760 00:51:06,321 --> 00:51:09,579 - Mr Lloyd, please retake the stand. - Us? Your daughter is dead, Mr Lloyd. 761 00:51:10,059 --> 00:51:11,598 - This is wrong! - Wait. 762 00:51:12,022 --> 00:51:15,124 - Show the jury your hands. - This is not acceptable! 763 00:51:16,421 --> 00:51:18,716 Please return to the witness box, Mr Lloyd. 764 00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:22,080 You have to put it, Ms Kapoor. 765 00:51:23,452 --> 00:51:26,153 You have to put the allegation directly to the witness. 766 00:51:31,313 --> 00:51:32,588 You murdered her. 767 00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:34,184 You killed Melanie. 768 00:51:37,449 --> 00:51:38,599 I killed her? 769 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,859 If you believe 770 00:51:44,385 --> 00:51:46,694 that I put a knife in my own daughter... 771 00:51:49,791 --> 00:51:52,856 then I feel very, very sorry for you, young lady. 772 00:51:54,054 --> 00:51:55,407 God help you. 773 00:51:57,141 --> 00:51:58,101 Kill her? 774 00:51:58,262 --> 00:52:01,165 Are you mad? Has the world gone mad? 775 00:52:01,474 --> 00:52:04,370 This is upside-down justice. 776 00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:05,718 He's the killer. 777 00:52:05,838 --> 00:52:07,571 Explosive, righteous anger. 778 00:52:07,815 --> 00:52:10,969 Complete loss of control. Violence under pressure. 779 00:52:11,822 --> 00:52:12,977 Who's that, Mr Lloyd? 780 00:52:13,587 --> 00:52:14,450 Him 781 00:52:15,526 --> 00:52:16,343 or you? 782 00:52:25,916 --> 00:52:27,963 I did leave work early that night. 783 00:52:29,596 --> 00:52:31,266 But I never made it home. 784 00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:35,406 There was a woman. 785 00:52:36,575 --> 00:52:39,298 Her car had broken down right near where I work. 786 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:42,936 She was scared. It was dark. 787 00:52:45,635 --> 00:52:47,113 If I'd have gone home, 788 00:52:47,696 --> 00:52:49,205 Mel wouldn't be dead. 789 00:52:53,871 --> 00:52:55,466 I could have saved her. 790 00:53:02,162 --> 00:53:04,933 Two Notices of Additional Evidence coming your way. 791 00:53:05,053 --> 00:53:07,514 One from the good lady whose Volvo broke down, 792 00:53:07,634 --> 00:53:11,596 and one from the gentleman representing the fourth emergency service. 793 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,366 Both will tell us of the Good Samaritan and what he was doing 794 00:53:15,486 --> 00:53:18,927 at the time you suggest, he was murdering his own daughter. 795 00:53:30,174 --> 00:53:32,829 We'll adjourn for the day, resume tomorrow at 10 o'clock. 796 00:53:34,763 --> 00:53:37,532 Members of the jury, please remember that it is vital 797 00:53:37,651 --> 00:53:41,133 that you do not discuss this case with anyone outside your number. 798 00:53:41,565 --> 00:53:43,199 Speeches in the morning. 799 00:54:19,919 --> 00:54:20,736 Mum... 800 00:54:22,752 --> 00:54:23,725 about uni... 801 00:54:23,845 --> 00:54:26,387 No, we don't need to talk about that now. 802 00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:29,897 Your dad and I, we... 803 00:54:31,608 --> 00:54:33,800 We want you to know how much we love you. 804 00:54:34,675 --> 00:54:35,556 And... 805 00:54:38,262 --> 00:54:40,327 We want you to know that there's nothing, 806 00:54:40,651 --> 00:54:44,070 nothing that you could do that would make us love you any less. 807 00:54:51,813 --> 00:54:53,756 Do you remember our little kitten? 808 00:54:56,638 --> 00:54:57,952 You were about 12. 809 00:54:59,541 --> 00:55:02,750 You didn't see me, but I saw you coming out of the house 810 00:55:03,051 --> 00:55:05,473 carrying something in your arms, and you... 811 00:55:06,191 --> 00:55:09,778 you laid it out in the middle of the road then you went back inside. 812 00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:12,749 And later, 813 00:55:13,284 --> 00:55:15,833 you told us how you'd heard the screeching of the brakes... 814 00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:20,140 and that you'd run outside and found it 815 00:55:21,316 --> 00:55:22,968 in the middle of the road. 816 00:55:24,353 --> 00:55:25,822 There were no signs 817 00:55:26,575 --> 00:55:29,920 that the kitten had been run over, but you stuck to your story. 818 00:55:39,496 --> 00:55:41,417 Mum, that was an accident. 819 00:55:42,152 --> 00:55:43,976 Of course it was an accident. 820 00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,192 You just panicked. 821 00:55:56,675 --> 00:55:58,190 You think I killed her. 822 00:55:59,171 --> 00:56:00,973 I'm saying I love you, Ben. 823 00:56:01,799 --> 00:56:03,749 And nothing will change that. 824 00:56:22,810 --> 00:56:25,761 What standard of proof does the prosecution need to reach 825 00:56:26,111 --> 00:56:27,489 before you can convict 826 00:56:27,648 --> 00:56:28,831 this defendant? 827 00:56:29,728 --> 00:56:31,036 You must be sure, 828 00:56:31,367 --> 00:56:33,047 beyond all reasonable doubt. 829 00:56:33,207 --> 00:56:34,678 I think you're going down. 830 00:56:35,171 --> 00:56:36,957 I want you to get used to that idea. 831 00:56:37,475 --> 00:56:39,604 What you are about to do now is probably 832 00:56:39,724 --> 00:56:42,763 the single most important duty you'll ever be asked to perform. 833 00:56:43,231 --> 00:56:44,993 You did not commit this murder. 834 00:56:45,307 --> 00:56:46,885 Why are you doing this? 835 00:56:49,419 --> 00:56:51,272 The stakes could not be higher. 836 00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,231 Now go and consider your verdict.